How to conduct hot water and heating. In the receipt, the payment for hot water from the heating system is more than the meter reading

RIG website It's no secret that a certain part of the population of Russia, including our republic, by virtue of objective reasons such as the lack of cold or hot water in the houses, uses for their own needs hot water from radiators. Recently, this type of utility service has received the official definition of "hot water supply using open systems heat supply". And from July 1, 2013, consumers of this service have an obligation to pay for it. About why and how much the Yakut people should pay for this service, said the Deputy Head of the Price and Tariff Regulation Department of the SCC-REC RS (Y) Irina Goncharova. - Irina Igorevna, what is the reason for the introduction of payment for hot water supply from the heating system?-- Until 2013, the laws of the Russian Federation provided for the establishment of tariffs for hot water only if there is a centralized hot water supply. And there was no charge for the water that people take apart from the radiators. However, with the release of a new federal law 190-FZ “On heat supply” and by-laws, since 2013 the concept of “hot water supply using open heat supply systems” has appeared and, accordingly, the obligation to pay for its consumption. Therefore, starting from July 2013, residents dismantling water from the heating system will see in their rent an invoice for a new type of utility service - hot water supply. But, it should be noted that payment for this service will also be subsidized from the republican budget, like other types of utilities. Therefore, the population will pay only a part of the actual cost of this hot water. - For which uluses and cities of Yakutia is this issue relevant?-- In all uluses of the Republic there is an uncomfortable or partially comfortable housing stock (there is only heating or heating with cold water from a tap or a column), where residents use water from radiators, so this issue is relevant everywhere, maybe with the exception of the city of Mirny. This is especially true of the Arctic and northern uluses, Kobyaisky ulus, the village of Kyzyl-Syr, where there is no centralized hot water at all, with baths and toilets in the apartments. Even in the city of Yakutsk, this issue is quite relevant, take at least the 17th quarter, Zalog, Saysary, GRES. -- Is there a fee for a similar service in other regions of Russia?- Yes, there is. Tariffs for hot water using open heat supply systems are also established in other regions of the Far Eastern Federal District and in the Republic of Buryatia. What is the rate for this service?-- The tariff for hot water supply is the same for the population (regardless of the type of system used), with a division into urban and rural consumers. SCC-REC RS(Y) approved a lower tariff for villagers than for urban residents. The single tariff rate is explained by subsidizing the difference between the economically justified tariff and the tariff for the population. If consumers paid 100% of the actual cost, then the tariffs would be different depending on the supplier. Thus, from July 1, 2013 to June 30, 2014, the following tariffs for hot water from an open heating system will apply: Urban: 88.63 RUB/m3 (VAT included) Rural: 68.20 RUB/m3 (VAT included) - That is, we will pay the same for hot water from radiators, and for centralized?-- This would be an incorrect statement, since, in addition to tariffs, the payment is affected by the volume of consumption of the service. And the standards for hot water from the heating system will differ from hot water from centralized system water supply. As you know, from July 1, 2013, along with tariffs, new standards for the consumption of utilities for the population (Decree of the Government of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) dated October 13, 2012 No. 446) come into force, including hot water using open heat supply systems. For this service, the standards are approved depending on the degree of improvement of houses, the availability of equipment and are broken down by months. Information about the regulations is available on the Internet, as well as in reference legal systems. -- Will the size of the board be affected by the temperature of the water from the radiators?-- If the centralized hot water needs to be at a certain temperature all year round, then the standard of consumption of this water is the same every month. But taking into account the fact that the temperature in our radiators is different depending on the season, the standards for the consumption of hot water from an open heating system are also approved by months of the year. For example, in winter time for washing floors, I can only draw a third of the bucket into the bucket, because the water is hot, and I will dilute the rest of the bucket with cold water, in April I can already draw a full bucket of hot water for these needs, without diluting it, since it is not hot, but warm. It turns out an inverse relationship - the hotter the water in the batteries, the smaller the analysis, the warmer - the more analysis. All these nuances were taken into account when developing new standards. -- Should the water from the heating system meet the sanitary requirements for ordinary tap water? -- Yes, in general, hot water using centralized and non-centralized water supply systems must comply with the established requirements, depending on the nature of the use. The quality of hot water supplied for household and industrial needs is determined by the hot water supply agreement, based on the suitability of hot water for specific types use. These points must be agreed between the supplier and the consumer when concluding a contract for heat supply and hot water supply. So, how to calculate the payment for hot water from an open heating system? Payment for hot water using open heat supply systems in the absence of metering devices will be formed as follows:
In conclusion, we would like to note that citizens who do not use water from the heating system and do not have drain taps in the apartment, if they are charged for this hot water from July, should contact the Criminal Code, the HOA or directly heat supply organization to draw up the relevant act. In this case, the fee will not be charged in the future, and a recalculation will be made for the period when the service was not provided. Press Service of the GCC-REC RS(Y)

Problem

We, in apartment building, hot water we can only use during the heating season from the heating system. Last year, I installed a meter to pay only for the hot water consumed by my household. And, really, for two months I paid according to the meter reading. But then I began to receive bills more than we consume. I went to the management company to find out why this happened. I was told that there is a government decree, which shows the calculation of payment for hot water for those who have metering devices. In this formula, there is a component for losses that occur in an unknown place. They, these losses, of course, occur, because. in some apartments, water is not used at all, because they put plugs. But no one checks whether they exist or not. So why should I pay for the thieves and for the misplaced work of our management company.

Here are the meter readings for the last three months:

March 17.38-13.96 = 3.42 cubic meters and we are given 8.84 cubic meters

April no indication

May 17.38 - 28.57 \u003d 11.19 cubic meters, and they put 33.4 cubic meters

The fact is that if we had water from the DHW system, and not from the heating system, this decision may be correct. But we are not like that.

Advise me what to do.

Sincerely, Elena Anatolyevna.

As for the difference in the volume of consumption that you determine by your meter and the volume that you are presented with for payment, it is likely that a common house metering device is installed in your house.

This device captures the whole the volume of coolant that entered the house and the volume that left the house. The difference between the amount received network water and the volume that left the house and will be - the cost of hot water supply.

From the temperature difference between the incoming and return water, the amount of thermal energy remaining in the house (gone for heating and hot water) is calculated.

If the total volume of water remaining in the house turns out to be more than presented to residents by meters + residents by standards (in those apartments where there are no meters), the excess is distributed among everyone in proportion to the consumption of each tenant. This procedure is provided for by the current rules for the provision of public services to citizens.

Thus, if your house has an overrun recorded by a common house meter, then presenting you with additional cubes for payment is completely legal. The reasons for overspending must be dealt with separately. These can be leaks in the basement, or unaccounted consumption by residents (for example, no one is registered in apartments - but people live, use water and do not pay, etc.) This needs to be dealt with separately ().

If the house does not provide DHW system, then the service of providing residents with hot water cannot be provided either in apartments or in places common use. Therefore, there is no reason to charge for this service.

In the last issue of our column, we talked about unusual situation, which has developed in one of the houses of the village of Baranchinsky.

As our reader Inna Varlamova wrote to the editors of OG, there is no centralized hot water supply in the house where she lives. Some residents take hot water from radiators central heating. The other part of the residents do not have such an opportunity: there are no taps on batteries. Management Company at the same time, both of them charge a fee for hot water supply for general house needs.

“In 2013, on the recommendation of the State Housing Inspectorate of the Sverdlovsk Region, we were refunded money for hot water supply in public places, and in this heating season The Criminal Code is again trying to take money from us for an unproven service. What should we do?" asks Inna Varlamova.

For an answer to this question, we turned to Valery Savosin, a member of the commission for the development of housing and communal services of the Public Chamber of the Sverdlovsk Region.

- It is clear that charging for hot water supply for general house needs in this case is illegal. And if one of the residents takes water from the battery, it is wrong to assume that he is provided with a hot water service, he said.

In addition, the water in the battery is technical, it may have foreign odors, its quality does not match sanitary standards set for DHW.

- It is impossible to use such water for domestic purposes. Therefore, even those who use it do not have to pay for hot water. It is very important to understand that it is impossible to take water from batteries, not only because of its non-compliance with sanitary standards, but also because such actions can unbalance the heating system. And imagine that people drained all the water from the batteries, then the building will be left without heating, says Valery Savosin.

In houses where there is no centralized hot water supply, people have to heat water on the stove. This is not always convenient.

- I think that all residents of the house, regardless of whether they take water from the heating system or not, need to hold a general meeting and decide on the installation of a water heater in each apartment. An appropriate application should be submitted to the administration of the municipality. You can write something like this: “In our house at such and such a situation has developed such and such a situation. We ask you to take measures, namely: to install water heaters in each apartment.” Administration representatives are obliged to find an organization that will carry out engineering works, but they will say: "The equipment is being purchased and the work is being carried out at the expense of the residents." And here the tenants of the house must go to their Criminal Code and declare: “How many years have we been transferring money for repairs? How much has accumulated? We have decided to allocate funds for the installation of water heaters in each apartment,” says Valery Savosin.

According to him, additional meters in the apartments will not need to be installed. Cold water will be heated with the help of electricity, and the consumption of resources will be fixed by the electric meter and the water meter for cold water system, according to their indicators, fees for services will be charged.