Ceramic tile it will be a practical, reliable and durable finishing material only if you choose the right quality glue for its installation. The quality of the adhesive mixture depends on the components included in its composition and the period intended for its use.
The manufacturer always indicates the expiration date of the adhesive on the packaging, thus guaranteeing the preservation of its original properties throughout the entire declared period. For example, a dry cement-sand mixture with the addition of polymers has a shelf life of 6 to 12 months provided that it is stored in proper conditions, without access to moisture. After this date, the adhesive begins to gradually lose its quality characteristics, which may not be reflected in the best way on the quality of the repair.
Although, it would seem, what can spoil so quickly in a powder mixture? Sand does not lose its properties over time, polymer additives also. Cement is exposed to moisture and over time, absorbing it even from the air, forms lumps in the mixture, and then a dense monolithic piece, which is absolutely unsuitable for use.
The shelf life of the prepared cement-sand mortar does not exceed 4 hours, after which it sets and hardens.
Tile adhesive, sold in finished form, can be used for finishing work within two months from the moment the can is opened. After that, it hardens strongly and becomes unsuitable for laying cladding.
The expiration date of the adhesive for each type is set by the manufacturer separately and you need to carefully follow the instructions on the package. When carrying out repair work, it is better not to purchase such perishable building material for future use, but to purchase as needed. After all, it's not a secret for anyone that repair is a rather long and troublesome process. If you choose the right glue, then loft style tiles will last a long time on your floor.
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There are five bags of tile glue for about a year already bought for repair, but the repair dragged on and we won’t reach the tile in any way. On the bag it says that the expiration date is half a year from the date of manufacture. If you still use this "expired" bathroom glue, what do you say? well what can we say? It's overdue!!! Although I did such experiments with Eunice at home, the tile has not yet fallen off. But I still won’t advise anything, you know, anything happens 🙂
And yet I believe that if everything was stored in a dry room, then nothing should happen 2 apartment For 3 years, the "forgotten" bag of 5 kg of Vetonit's KL FIX lay in the pantry - it clumped into a gray mass that was hard to crush with your fingers.
Typical composition of cement slabs. adhesives - cement, sand, polymer additives. There will be nothing for the sand, cement "caking" from time to time, loses activity by 5% per month, which happens to polymers - it's hard to say. In such a case, I simply bought the same fresh glue and mixed the old with the new. There is UNIX PLUS tile adhesive, date of manufacture 04/30/2009. The guaranteed shelf life is 6 months, it was stored at room conditions, the bags were not opened, the mixture was slightly caked, but loosened after shaking the bag.
Now it's a pity to throw it away, but I'm afraid to use it. It is necessary to check the adhesion (penetration-setting strength of the adhesive). Dilute a little in the right proportion and connect two pieces / pebbles of expanded clay, wait until it dries and check for rupture. ******
In principle, with proper storage, the adhesive is stored for 1 year. However, if moisture gets in, it won’t even last a week.
but in general I will repeat the classics - nothing lasts forever. Somewhere I thought so, make a trial batch, lay a tile on it, wait a week, and then according to the results. There was experience with Eunice +, which was stored in a dry, heated room for a year and a half. It even seemed to me that it became easier to knead. You may also need a sieve so that the caked pieces of the batch do not spoil. Your words are like a balm for the soul. Will the tile fall off over time? You understand that I can’t promise anything - I hope not. I’ve been lying for almost a year now - everything is fine. The main basis is to properly prepare and lay according to technology. 2bardak Eunice and so glue quality is below average, and even overdue. Your pallet is not intact, probably 3 bags.
****** No, not a pallet, but a toad presses, especially since the tiles have already been laid on new glue, for another half a year the bags will lie down and then you can throw them away. The situation is not hopeless.
1. Buy latex additive IDROKOL X20 (LITOKOL), at the rate of 2.5 kg of IDROKOL X20 per 25 kg of dry adhesive mixture.
2. Mix 2.5 kg of IDROKOL X20 with 4.5-5 liters of water.
3. Mix 25 kg of dry adhesive mixture (expired) with the resulting liquid.
4. Lay tiles.
5. The result is SUPER! according to GOST cement adhesives are stored for 6 months (such requirements), if produced (and produced) according to TU, then they set 12 months. there are changes, but not fatal, Eunice + not quite junk (from Eunice), additives are normal there.
What is the actual shelf life of Flezenkliber tile adhesive?
I bought this bath glue, hired a car, because many bags are needed.
And only at home I noticed that the release date is 04.05, i.e. this glue is already over a year old, and the shelf life is indicated for 6 months :(
If the glue is crumbly, i.e. it feels like it is not petrified there, can you use it? Or should it be returned to the seller?
Adhesive for outdoor use. Serves for gluing tiles of various formats on the plinth of the building, laying out flights of stairs, terraces and other external elements of the building. The second purpose of such glue is the interior decoration of walls in unheated buildings. For example, walls in a summer kitchen or a country shower. The main requirement for such a composition is resistance to multiple freeze-thaw cycles.
In addition to the listed types of glue, there are a number of narrow-profile compositions that serve to solve rare and complex problems, but these are already particulars that the average consumer, most likely, will not encounter in life.
Now consider the selection process itself. Below is a brief summary of all the aspects that you need to pay attention to when choosing an adhesive. In descending order, the importance of each thesis is indicated: starting from the most important and ending with the less significant.
Especially for stranamasterov.net Filiptsov Mikhail
1. Jorik, so with such a thickness, 1.5-2 bags of glue will go per square meter. Isn't it expensive?
Can it be cheaper to make a screed from a cement-sand mixture, and then put it under a comb? Calculate the cost of the entire area of the garage! 2. It is better not to experiment with imported adhesives! If 2-6mm is written on it, then it is not necessary to make it thicker, otherwise, the residual deformations that occur in tile adhesives for 2-3 weeks will simply cause the tile to peel off (a thick layer dries longer, and, accordingly, the operation of synthetic additives, mineral and the main component of the adhesive - cement, occurs not at a certain, calculated time, but with a delay.For example: the response time of additives is 3 hours, and the cement will begin to harden due to the large thickness not after 3 hours, but after 4-5 hours. it turns out that both cement and additives should have worked at the same time and increase strength, but they worked at different times and interfered with each other.) Well, I said the response hours offhand to make it clear. And what exactly are the response times and how they are calculated, so this is the secret of the manufacturer. I had such a personal experience in the 90s. Then I worked mainly with Atlas and Bolex adhesives (at that time we were just starting to bring all these adhesives and few people knew how to work with them, because instructions were not printed in Russian). Due to inexperience, I tried to increase the thickness of the layer, I tried to add cement to save money (when the layer is thick, it takes a lot and the client asks to save money) In general, all the experiments came out sideways .. Now I act clearly according to the instructions. I didn't come up with this glue, it's not for me to break it! Although with Russian adhesives UnisXXI and Prospectors, this option passes
Thanks.
in glue, the cement that is part of the composition most likely lost its brand. How would then such savings not go sideways ...
No responsible work. Expired glue can be added to any cement mortar (for screed, plaster). At the same time, it’s still not worth mixing them with cement just like that - the solution will turn out to be too loose and soft after drying. The primer should be opened and smelled. If there is no distinct rotten smell, it can be used for anything strange, which is usually a pity for primers - between layers of putty or under wallpaper. Expired gypsum plaster can be given to electricians. There is no way to use it instead of gypsum. Even if you apply all sorts of ancient tricks, such as dilution with glue. Freezes slowly, yes. But it’s hard to work and the result is suspicious - she’s baying, as if she didn’t stick at all.
Thanks everyone.
d_redkin This film is the one under the plastic cover?According to your criteria, the primer seems to be normal, although there are a few small lumps.
Can you strain it?According to the instructions, the primer is diluted 1 to 5, what ratio can you recommend
- for applying to the wall plastered with DSP by puttying
- For the second layer of putty?
- Before wallpapering?
Lumps are rubbed.
Thanks for the extended answer.Expired shelf life of glue
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2kvartirant Year 3 ""forgotten"" bag of 5 kg of Vetonit KL FIX lay in the pantry - caked in a gray mass that was hardly crushed by fingers.
Typical composition of cement slabs. adhesives - cement, sand, polymer additives. Nothing will happen to the sand, cement from time to time ""cakes"", loses activity by 5% per month, which happens to polymers - it's hard to say.In such a case, I simply bought the same fresh glue and mixed the old with the new.
Expired shelf life of tile adhesive
There is UNIX PLUS glue, production date 04/30/2009. The guaranteed shelf life is 6 months, it was stored at room conditions, the bags were not opened, the mixture was slightly caked, but loosened after shaking the bag.
Now it's a pity to throw it away, but I'm afraid to use it.It is necessary to check the adhesion (penetration-setting strength of the adhesive). Dilute a little in the right proportion and connect two pieces / pebbles of expanded clay, wait until it dries and check for rupture. ******
In principle, with proper storage, the adhesive is stored for 1 year. However, if moisture gets in, it won't even last a week.
But in general, I will repeat the classics - nothing lasts forever.Somewhere I thought so, make a trial batch, lay a tile on it, wait a week, and then according to the results.
There was experience with Eunice +, which was stored in a dry, heated room for a year and a half. It even seemed to me that it became easier to knead
You may also need a sieve so that the caked pieces do not spoil the batch.
Learn, learn, learn!Your words are like a balm for the soul. Will the tile fall off over time?
You understand that I can not promise anything - I hope not
I've had it for almost a year now and everything is fine. The main basis is to properly prepare and lay according to technology.
Learn, learn, learn!Guaranteed shelf life 6 months, stored at room conditions, the bags have not been opened
everything should be fine, since it seems to be 6 months for outdoor storage, but you have it in a dry room.
Sincerely, Evgenievich.2bardak and so the glue is below average, and even expired. Your pallet is not intact, probably 3 bags.
Floor screed. Good luck to all!No, not a pallet, but a toad presses, especially since the tiles have already been laid on new glue, for another half a year the bags will lie down and then you can throw them away.
half a year the bags will lie down
If you still keep it, then throw it away, or donate it.
Hang up a sign in your driveway. At least drink a beer and you don’t need to carry it. Do not store perishable goods.
Everything has already been thought out, not everything has been thought out yet.Eunice and so adhesive quality is below average
Well, he's not that bad. Ordinary glue from the category of ""nothing special"". There are better, but they are appropriate.
but the toad presses
So you were going to sell it ... I thought to use it for myself. Well then, really, the price should be symbolic or beer | juice
I just don’t understand why then all sorts of trial batches are no longer your headache.
Learn, learn, learn!So you were going to sell it
No, it makes no sense to sell three bags, although I like beer. Especially the bath
already put the specialist using fresh glue, but my hands itch
try it yourself.The situation is not hopeless.
1. Buy latex additive IDROKOL X20 (LITOKOL), at the rate of 2.5 kg of IDROKOL X20 per 25 kg of dry adhesive mixture.
2. Mix 2.5 kg of IDROKOL X20 with 4.5-5 liters of water.
3. Mix 25 kg of dry adhesive mixture (expired) with the resulting liquid.
4. Lay tiles.
5. The result is SUPER!Well, he's not that bad. Ordinary glue from the category of ""nothing special"".
Throw it to the damned grandmother! Tiles cost a lot more! I myself fought the toad on the expensive / scarce FLEXKleber glue - it was overdue for half a year, glued the mosaic on the loggia (2 squares) - cursed everything - it was normal, but when the mosaic was washed (even the next day) 10 percent simply fell off, as with sand.glued the mosaic
Topikstarter did not say anything about the mosaic - neither did I. Maybe he wants to glue porcelain tiles to the ceiling, I don’t know
There are other adhesives for mosaics, as well as for porcelain stoneware. And so it is understood that the author is going to glue ordinary tiles in non-extreme conditions. On "overdue" Eunice - why not?
Learn, learn, learn!according to GOST cement adhesives are stored for 6 months (such requirements), if produced (and produced) according to TU, then they set 12 months. there are changes, but not fatal, Eunice + not quite junk (from Eunice), additives are normal there.
the author is going to glue ordinary tiles in non-extreme conditions. On "overdue" Eunice - why not?
but in general to try (carry out a trial gluing!), you can, as already written, glue the tile and wait 3 days, then try to tear it off.and my hands are itchy
try it yourself.Shelf life of tile adhesive - tile forum. marble. granite - vashdom.ru
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Ceresit CM 11 (Ceresit CM 11)
For interior and exterior use
Characteristics:
Package: 25 kg, 5 kg - paper bag;
Best before date: 12 months;
Minimum consumption: 1.7 kg/m2;
Average consumption: 2.95 kg/m2;
Max Flow: 4.2 kg/m2.
Properties:
waterproof;
resistant to sliding tiles;
suitable for fixing porcelain tiles on non-heated floors inside buildings;
suitable for indoor and outdoor use;
environmentally safe.
Application area - :
Tile adhesive Ceresit CM 11 designed for fastening ceramic and stone tiles with water absorption greater than or equal to 3% and up to 30x30 cm in size on non-deformable bases, on walls and floors, inside and outside buildings, in civil and industrial construction.
Tile adhesive Ceresit CM 11 Suitable for use in continuous and intermittent exposure to water.
Applicable tile adhesive Ceresit CM 11 for fastening tiles with water absorption less than 3% (ceramic granite, clinker, stone, etc.) only inside buildings on floors without heating that meet the requirements of 2.03.13-88 (mainly in residential and administrative premises).
In the case of deformable heated screed bases and other difficult bases, it is recommended to use highly elastic adhesive CM 17 or adhesive CM 11 prepared with liquid elasticizer CC 83.
Tile adhesive Ceresit CM 11 with the addition of CC83 elasticizer should apply:
for fastening tiles with water absorption less than 3% (porcelain stoneware, clinker, stone, etc.) on floors during outdoor work and walls;
on screeds with heating;
on plinths, parapets, external stairs, entrance groups, floors of balconies, terraces, exploited roofs;
in open, as well as in sufficiently large indoor tanks and pools;
on deformable bases (chipboard, plasterboard, OSB, etc. boards);
on ceramic (including glazed) facings during external and internal works;
on durable paint coatings with good adhesion;
on gypsum and anhydrite coatings with good adhesion;
on gypsum and anhydrite bases;
on light, cellular and "young" ("age" less than a month) concrete.
For laying tiles made of marble and light translucent stone, as well as for glass mosaics, it is recommended to use ceresit stone cm115">white stone adhesive Ceresit CM 115.
For laying large-format tiles on floors, it is recommended to use tile adhesive Ceresit CM 12.Foundation preparation:
The base must meet the requirements of SNiP 3.04.01-87 and have sufficient bearing capacity. The base must be dedusted and cleaned of substances that reduce adhesive adhesion (efflorescence, fats, bitumen, etc.). Weak crumbling areas must be removed.
Walls are recommended to be leveled first repair plaster Ceresit CT 29 at least 3 days before fixing the tiles, and the floors - leveling compound Ceresit group CN. Irregularities up to 5 mm are allowed to be leveled with CM9 at least 1 day before fixing the tiles.
Typical grounds ( adhesive Ceresit CM 11)
Cement-sand and cement-lime plasters, cement-sand screeds (more than 28 days old, humidity less than 4%) are recommended to be processed primer Ceresit CT 17 and dry for at least 4 hours. Dense, clean, solid substrates may not be primed.
NOT Typical Grounds ( glue Ceresit CM 11 + СС83)
Gypsum plasters (moisture content less than 0.5%), wood chipboard, cement chipboard, gypsum board and other boards (over 22 mm thick), light, cellular or "young" (about 1 month old, moisture content less than 4%), cement- Heated sand screeds should be primed with CN 94 or CT 17 primer and dried completely (OSB boards should be primed with CN 94 primer).
Stone and ceramic linings, water-dispersion paints with good adhesion to the substrate, cast asphalt screeds must be primed with CN 94 primer and dried for at least 2 hours.
Execution of works:
To prepare the mortar mixture, an accurately measured amount of pure water (from +5 to +20 degrees) or CC 83 softener diluted with water in a ratio of 2: 1 is taken. The dry mixture is gradually added to the liquid with stirring, achieving a homogeneous mass without lumps. Mixing is carried out using a mixer or a drill with a nozzle for viscous mixtures at a rotation speed of 400-800 rpm. Then maintain a technological pause of 5 minutes for the maturation of the mortar mixture and mix again. The mortar mixture should be used up within approximately 2 hours (with CC 83 elasticizer in 1.5 hours) from the moment of preparation.
The adhesive is applied to the substrate with the smooth side of a notched grater or a smooth trowel and spread over the surface with the notched side of a grater or a notched trowel. The teeth should be square in shape, and their size is chosen depending on the format of the tiles (see table below). With the correct selection of the consistency of the mortar mixture and the size of the spatula teeth, the adhesive, after pressing the tiles, must cover at least 65% of the glued surface on the walls and 80% on the floors.
Attention! Tiles must not be pre-soaked!
The tiles can be fixed within 15 minutes ("open time") after applying the adhesive to the substrate (20 minutes with an elasticizer). The tile is laid on the adhesive layer and pressed to the base. The position of the tiles can be corrected within 20 minutes after laying (with an elasticizer - 25 minutes).
Attention! You can not lay tiles in a joint!
The width of the joint is set depending on the tile format and operating conditions. The high fixing power of the adhesive eliminates the need for spacers between the tiles to ensure the same width of the joint.
For outdoor work and stone cladding, to increase the reliability of fixing tiles, it is recommended to use a combined laying method: the glue is additionally applied to the mounting surface of the tiles with a smooth spatula in an even layer 1 mm thick. glue at the same time increases by 0.5 kg / m2.
Joints are recommended to be filled with appropriate grouts. Ceresit CE group not earlier than 24 hours after laying the tiles. When using glue with the addition of an elasticizer, it is recommended to fill the joints with flexible grout CE 40 not earlier than 72 hours after laying the tiles.
Fresh adhesive residues can be removed with water, dried - only mechanically.Recommendations:
Works should be carried out in dry conditions, at an air and base temperature of +5 to +20 degrees and a relative humidity of less than 80%. All performance data and recommendations given in the technical description are valid for ambient temperature and relative air humidity up to 60%. In other conditions, it is possible to change the time of consumption, adjustment and open time of the adhesive, as well as the time for the lining to be ready for grouting.
In cases not mentioned in this technical description, it is recommended to use other adhesives Ceresit CM or CU groups. Tile adhesive Ceresit CM 11 contains cement, and when interacting with water gives an alkaline reaction, therefore, when working with it, it is necessary to protect the eyes and skin. When the mixture enters tile adhesive Ceresit CM 9 in the eyes, rinse them with water and seek medical attention.
Notes:
In addition to this technical description, when working with glue, you should be guided by SNiP 3.04.01-87.
The manufacturer is not responsible for non-compliance with the technology when working with the material, as well as for its use in conditions not provided for in this technical description.
If in doubt about the applicability of the material, you should test it yourself or consult the manufacturer.
This technical description, as well as recommendations not confirmed in writing, cannot serve as a basis for the unconditional liability of the manufacturer.
Storage conditions:
In dry conditions, on pallets, in original undamaged packaging - no more than 12 months from the date of manufacture.
Package:
Tile adhesive Ceresit CM 11 Supplied in paper bags of 5 and 25 kg.Specifications:
Shelf life of tile adhesive
1. Jorik, so with such a thickness, 1.5-2 bags of glue will go per square meter. Isn't it expensive? Can it be cheaper to make a screed from a cement-sand mixture, and then put it under a comb? Calculate the cost of the entire area of the garage!
2. It is better not to experiment with imported adhesives! If 2-6mm is written on it, then it is not necessary to make it thicker, otherwise, the residual deformations that occur in tile adhesives for 2-3 weeks will simply cause the tile to peel off (a thick layer dries longer, and, accordingly, the operation of additives, mineral and the main component of the adhesive - cement, occurs not at a certain, calculated time, but with a delay.For example: the response time of the additives is 3 hours, and the cement will begin to harden due to the large thickness not after 3 hours, but after 4-5 hours. that both cement and additives were supposed to work at the same time and increase strength, but they worked at different times and interfered with each other.) Well, I said this offhand to make it clear. And what exactly are the response times and how they are calculated, so this is the secret of the manufacturer. I had such a personal experience in the 90s. Then I worked mainly with Atlas and Bolex adhesives (at that time we were just starting to bring all these adhesives and few people knew how to work with them, because instructions were not printed in Russian). Due to inexperience, I tried to increase the thickness of the layer, I tried to add cement to save money (when the layer is thick, it takes a lot and the client asks to save money) In general, all the experiments came out sideways .. Now I act clearly according to the instructions. I didn't come up with this glue, it's not for me to break it! Although with Russian adhesives UnisXXI and Prospectors, this option passes
Before buying tile adhesive, you should study its composition Among the wide variety of offers on the market, it has become very difficult to understand which adhesive for boards is best suited. What should I pay attention to when purchasing glue? Not so long ago, tiles were laid only on a mixture of cement and sand, which was obtained by following certain proportions. Experienced craftsmen added PVA glue to the mixture to get increased tenacity. If it talks about modern compositions, then not all of them also include these components and various modifying additives. It is in these additives that there is something that allows the tile to stay in place for many years.
All presented adhesive products may differ in their composition, however, according to GOST standards, they must meet certain requirements. It is very important when buying glue to pay attention to its technical properties.
The characteristics of tile adhesive are often indicated on the back of the package.
According to GOST, the main technical characteristics include 8 indicators:
All of the above indicators according to GOST must be taken into account when purchasing any adhesive composition for working with tiles.
When choosing a ceramic tile adhesive, you need to know its specifications. If the composition does not meet the data according to GOST, which are indicated above, in no case can it be purchased. In this case, no one will give you a guarantee that the tile will hold securely and will not fall off.
Before buying a tile adhesive of a particular manufacturer, you should read reviews about it on the Internet.
All of these indicators are very important. Without them, the work will be either too difficult or impossible. That is why, before purchasing, be sure to read all the manufacturer's instructions on the package.
An important indicator is the composition of the tile adhesive. The quality of the work to be done directly depends on its components. If we talk about what types of glue exist, then they can be divided into certain classes due to certain compositions.
Namely:
Tile adhesive must not contain harmful substances
Most often it is used for the restoration of ceramic coatings.
Recently, consumers are increasingly indignant at the purchase of expired mixes for laying tiles, especially if it is a bulk material.
When purchasing material, pay attention to the production date. It is this indicator that is the starting point of the expiration date, and not the date of purchase.
This applies not only to tile adhesive mixtures, but also to any other material.
It is very important to consider that before you purchased the mixture, it was still in the manufacturers' warehouse for some time, and only then it hit the counter of a hardware store. Therefore, it is necessary to rely on the fact that the purchased adhesive mixture must be used before the expiration date specified by the manufacturer has passed.
The shelf life of tile adhesive depends on its composition and type of packaging.
Of course, one cannot talk about the principled expiration date of a building material, as it is about a food product, but still, this is an important point when purchasing.
So, for example, dry mixes of cement, sand and polymers can be stored from six months to a year. This period is calculated based on the time when all the constituent components can retain their qualities. If, after this period, the mixture has not been applied, but it has been stored in the right conditions, then it will lose its qualities by 5%, and this will happen every month. As for polymers, they completely lose their basic properties.
It must be remembered that each type of building mixture has its own shelf life. For example, dry and ready-made glue has different suitability indicators, it depends on which manufacturer will be chosen and what kind of base the glue has.
No matter what difficulties may accompany your repair process, you need to choose the best adhesive for ceramic tiles. After all, it will depend on this how well the material will be glued, as well as how durable your finish will be. Do not rush to go to extremes and purchase a universal type glue, because it also has its limits, no one can guarantee perfect quality. Think over everything to the smallest detail, because the final result depends on everything, even on which room the work will be carried out in.
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